The Endura Silk Liner is a little thicker than the Fine Silk Liner, but on their own I cannot really tell any difference. I have tried using them on their own under a tarp in temps around 60 F and I was a little cool in them. The only time I think they would work well on their own is in temps over at least 70 F.

In a bag, I would say the most that the Endura liner added for me is maybe around 5 F, at the most. And to be honest, I wouldn’t rely on that since so many other factors come into play (such as shelter used as well as your personal, current physical conditions and the environmental conditions). Not to mention that what may work for me will probably not work for the next person.

I will admit that I have stopped using them inside sleeping bags because they can be a bit of a tangle for those of us who may toss and turn inside the bag. I will say that I have enjoyed using them under a top quilt that is laid completely open in warmer temps. The liner will help stop drafts that sneak in, and by this I do feel a little warmer. However, inside a hammock, drafts should not be an issue.

Anyway, hope this helps some.

~Stick~

Yeah, I don’t think I would trust any of the water there…in fact, I know I wouldn’t…

For a prefilter, I like just laying a corner of my microfiber towel over the top of the bottle and then screwing the filter over the towel. This will not mess up the seal and will prefilter the water as it is going into the filter.

I agree with you on filling the bottles. I have been using a Platy bottle for a little over the last year though so it has kind of grown on me. If I cannot get flowing water I just dip/scoop and pour. If at camp I just use my cook pot. If on the trail, I can use a Ziploc.

I just got back from a trip in which I used mine and cleaned it when I got back. Of course my filter is the older version of the Squeeze (meaning their is no nipple in the outflow end). I just use a catheter tipped syringe. I have found that it is very easy to backflush my filter. I can flush 60 cc of water through it with on quick push on the syringe’s plunger with no spray back whatsoever…

Anyway, thanks for the feedback!

~Stick~

The bags are kind of awkard to fill especially if you are attempting to prefilter the water.. Being flimsy and collasped in a shallow water source proved a challenge. A funnel and using a cup would be handy.

Backwashing works ok with the syringe but do not try to force it to quicky it just sprays out of the end where you are using the syringe. There are threads. Might be a way to rig something up with the “sp170 – SAWYER QUICK DISCONNECT ADAPTER SET” and some tubing that the syringe would fit into.

I actually posted a good deal in that thread…and since then, I have changed my system up a bit…

My lightest set up is my full size Heine can with foil lid (1 oz), DIY hardware cloth stand (0.2 oz), Suluk 46 small Ti windscreen (0.35 oz) and a small aluminum disc (0.1 oz). This comes to 1.6 oz. To use it, I simply place the Esbit directly on top of the aluminum disc, which is simply set on the ground. The hardware cloth pot stand is sized to use with the Esbit tablet sitting on the aluminum disc the most efficiently. This is the lightest set up that I can think of one having, unless they used a smaller can/pot to boil water in. The cool thing about the Heine can though is that the pot stand nest in the bottom and the windscreen coils up on top of it just perfectly, so everything fits inside the cook pot. With a shorter cook pot, either the windscreen or the pot stand will have to be outside the cook pot.

I can use my MLD 475 mug in the place of the Heine can which would increase the durability, but at a (justifiable) 0.4 oz weight penalty.

The windscreen is quite nice, but I feel like I could get the same weight (or at least very very close) if I made an aluminum windscreen of the same dimensions. Next time I pick up some more of the tooling foil, I will give it a try to see what I come up with.

I really like my gram cracker stove, but it will require a little bit taller pot stand. From my understanding, you want about a 1.5″ gap between the Esbit tablet and the bottom of the cook pot to make the most of the flame from the Esbit tablet (too low and you are smothering the flame and too high and you are wasting the heat).

Anyway, thanks for stopping by and commenting. And mentioning that thread agian…it has been a while since I have read it…

~Stick~

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=61204&skip_to_post=528110

You know that is interesting. I was a bit curious about this too because the ti pots that REI sold were the same as the Evernew pots…in fact the Evernew brand was stamped into the bottom of the REI pots, but REI was imprinted on the lid…

Strange…

~Stick~

After I posted that last comment, I wondered about the inhaling part. I know that the fumes are strong, but not sure if that would be enough, especially with all the ventilation that it sounds like you had going on as well as the distance. Regardless, it is very clear that it should be used away from cats!

Thanks again for sharing your experience with it.

~Stick~

Only the huge powerhouse companies like Snowpeak and Evernew can create their own product and be safe from these situations since they own the designs AND mfg’ing equipment.

I wouldn’t use that stuff in the house again, however. Anyway thanks for your article about Permethrin. I usually spray my clothes, as we have ticks here too, but your way is interesting and worth trying.

My wife’s cat eventually died, but not from the Permethrin. It died from old age, as it was 22. She had it cremated and it’s in a little urn in the bedroom. I’m serious. Seems like overkill to me, so to speak.

I really think that they are all the same pots, but as you say, there is just a different named imprinted on the mug. This MLD mug looks just like my Backcountry 700 mug, except that the 700 is a little bigger and has the harness for the handles.

Anyway, thanks for the tip on the beer cozy…that cosy should be slimmer than the reflectix cozy I made for it…

~Stick~

Yes, this stuff is fatal to cats. I was sure to include that in my video and write up. I am surprised that it affected your cat once it was dry though. I am not 100% sure, but as I understand it, once the Permethrin dries it then became nontoxic.

Sorry to hear that you caught some heat from your spouse… but glad to hear that it wasn’t fatal!

I just treat my hiking clothes with it, and I only wear those clothes while hiking. The rest of the time they are put away in a Rubbermaid container.

Anyway, thanks for stopping by and sharing!

~Stick~

I am not going to use it on our hikes coming up (at least I am not planning to) but I will bring it along so you can put your hands on it!

~Stick~

TBH, I sorta did that too…but then when I look at the spread sheet, and then as I am packing it, I question myself again if I really need it…and most of the time I don't so I still decide to leave it behind… I really wish that I had a list of all the items I took on my first hike… because now, it is hard for me to think of what all I needed to pack to have almost 60 lbs of gear on my back!

I agree with you about the durability issue. This is a huge reason why my Backcountry 700 ml Ti pot became my favorite solo pot over my beer can pots. But, I will admit, both of my SUL trips this summer I will be packing my Heine cook pot due to lighter weight and actually rather large volume content. I plan to pack it on the very top of my pack, above everything else. All of my "kitchen" stuff will be inside it and it will all be inside a cuben stuff sack to hold it together.

As far as Esbit, I am playing around with simply not having a "stove" for it. I have an aluminum tooling foil disc that I cut to match the footprint of my new Suluk 46 Ti windscreen. I simply set my Esbit tablet directly on top of the tooling foil, then I have a DIY hardware cloth pot stand that supports my cook pot. So far it works pretty dang good, and it is light! The weight of the disc, pot stand, pot with aluminum foil lid, windscreen, 1/2 lightload towel, Mini Bic and the stuff sack comes to 2.4 oz, so I am very excited about that!Add in my cup and spoon that I will more than likely be using, it goes up to 2.9 oz…

Anyway, thanks for stopping by and commenting! And I am looking forward to meeting you on our hike!

~Stick~

Be sure to check out any Books-A-Millions that may be near you… I checked the one in my town, but it is tiny and hardly even has any books, let along these bars… oh well…at least I can order them from Trail Designs though!

~Stick~