Newly Designed Hammock Gear 20 F Phoenix Under Quilt

A while back I purchased a 20 F Phoenix Under Quilt from Hammock Gear. Once it arrived on my door step, I had a few questions about the product so I got in touch with Adam from Hammock Gear (for all the details involved, check out my First Look review). In the end, Adam sent me another under quilt to try out and to replace my initial under quilt with. So, in this post I want to point out some of the differences between the 2 under quilts, as well as offer a few of my thoughts on the new under quilt.

So, to start with, here is a quick video that I made a few hours after I opened the box:

So, here are the specs on the new under quilt:

  • Measured Weight: 13.9 oz (Includes UQ w/ shock cord suspension and 2 biners)
  • Measured Width: 42.5 inches @ head end & tapers down to 34 inches @ foot end
  • Measured Length: 51 inches
  • Measured Loft: 2-1/4 to 3-1/2 inches (Lying flat on the floor)
  • Baffles: 9 vertical full-length baffles

Also, here are the materials it is made from:

  • Outer (facing the ground) Shell: SevenD
  • Inner (facing the hammock) Shell: Cuben Fiber
  • Stuffed with 9 oz of 900 fill-power Hungarian goose down

So, I will address weight first. As can be seen, at 13.9 oz, this under quilt is probably just about the lightest 20 F (3/4 length) under quilt that can be had, considering that it is completely made using top of the line, lightweight materials. Also, due to the new design (which, as far as I understand, is based on Adam’s full-length under quilt, the Incubator) this under quilt is constructed in a way to provide quilt where you need it, and not where you don’t. This of course also helps to cut down weight. As well, as I mentioned in the video, he uses a smaller diameter shock cord as the suspension system which is bound to squeeze even a little more weight off. So, overall, concerning weight, initially I am happy with what has been delivered.

I do want to say a few things about materials as well, although I will not linger on them since Adam will construct his quilts out of pretty much any material you want (as long as you can get it to him). Adam used 1.1 nylon ripstop on the first under quilt that he has sent me, and SevenD on the newer one. However, after waking up one morning with a considerable amount of condensation on the outer shell of the (first) under quilt, I now wonder which material will be of more benefit. I am unfamiliar with the SevenD material and how it stands up to water/moisture management, so I will have to do some investigating into this. However, at this point and in my opinion, the 1.1 ripstop seems like it would be the better choice for this application (unfortunately). Maybe I am wrong though…

Size/Dimensions/Fit. This subject was my biggest concern when I received the first under quilt as the sizing was a bit smaller than listed on the site. But, the newly designed under quilt that Adam has sent me is much different. Like I mentioned in the video, the new quilt is tapered; larger at the head and narrows towards the foot, whereas the older/first under quilt is a perfect rectangle. The new under quilt is a full 4 inches wider at the head end than the first under quilt is. When I hung the new under quilt under my hammock and then laid in it, I easily noticed the difference here since the under quilt extended well over my shoulders. And even though the foot end of the under quilt tapers, it is still plenty tall enough to cover my legs.As well, at 51 inches long, the new under quilt is about 2 inches longer than the first under quilt. However, I really don’t see how 2 inches will make much of a difference. So, saying this, I really don’t have anything to say about this.

Overall, these dimensions are much closer to the listed specs, and after hanging it and then laying in the hammock, I find that the lengths are more than enough to be use-able for me. I would like to add that this specific under quilt does indeed have 1 oz of down “overfill” in it which may possibly affect the dimensions. However, after reading a post made by Adam in a thread over on Hammock Forums, the “extra” down may not affect the dimensions at all. Anyway, in the end…errr… initially… I am happy with the dimensions of this under quilt.

The construction of this quilt is perfect. In the review of the first under quilt I also made mention of how impressed I was with the overall construction, despite the one little spot where the hem missed part of the side channel. But I have got to say that these quilts are very nice. Straight, uniform seams with no loose threads and perfectly, even spaced baffles throughout. What more can I ask for? I have got to hand it too Adam & Jenny because when it comes to the quality involved in the construction of their quilts, it is top-notch. Then of course, the new quilt has one of those sweet little “Custom made by StormCrow” patches sewn in along the side channel…

So, now my only real problem is that I need to decide on which one I want to keep. I was pretty sure that when Adam told me that he was going to send me another one, and using the SevenD on the outer shell, that it would be a simple decision, but I have got to admit that it is not…

I have really become attached to the first under quilt that Adam has sent me. I will admit that one of the most impressive things about the under quilt is how much this thing lofts up. It easily measures 4 – 5 inches on average, and this goes from corner to corner, including the middle. It is solid. Also, I have got to admit that after using it a few times, I have found that it fits around me pretty dang comfortably… it just seems to fit me, you know? Anyway, I am quite happy with it…

Then of course the new one, it definitely has sex appeal (at least as much as a quilt can have sex appeal…) The materials are definitely worth bragging about, and it is fun to just look at. (Not to mention it has that sweet little “Custom made by” patch on it…) As well, even though it is only 3 oz lighter than the first under quilt, when holding the new under quilt, it has a much lighter (wispy) feel to it. Also, I have found that the feel of the SevenD really is very soft and is comfortable on the skin. (I think that it would make a very comfortable shell for a top quilt… and of course light!) Also, due to the materials, the newer one will compress slightly easier/more than the first one, but not by much.However, I think that the decision will ultimately be based on which one will keep me warmer. I want to use this under quilt into the teens, so I need as much warmth as I can get. With this in mind, the first under quilt clearly lofts up a good deal more than the newer one. I was a bit confused by this at first (considering they both have 9 oz of 900 down fill inside them), however, thanks to one of my YouTube watchers comments, I have had some light shed upon this… and I must admit, I wanted to slap myself in the head when I read his/her comment… Since the newer under quilt has larger dimensions, the down is spread out more in the new under quilt than in my first under quilt. So naturally, the smaller (first) under quilt has a taller loft.

However, from what I understand, loft is what determines warmth, so then the first under quilt should be the warmer of the 2. Although, the newer one does offer slightly more coverage… hhmmm… it is a tough choice…

Anyway, at this point, I want to take the time to thank both Adam & Jenny for their services. Regardless of the series of events, they have provided a great service. I am happy to own some of their quilts and look forward to owning more in the future…

So, as usual, if you have any comments or questions, please post them at the bottom of the post and I will get back to you. And until then…

Thanks for your time!

~Stick~

Disclaimer: Adam from Hammock Gear sent this new Under Quilt to me as a possible exchange for my initial Under Quilt (which I paid fully for with my own monies). Even though he used the newer SevenD materials on this Under Quilt, Adam did not charge me any extra for the UQ. As well, I agreed to do this review on the new Under Quilt as part of the agreement. In the end, I will only keep one and return the second one.

About Stick

My blog is essentially a record of my hiking career. Through it, I, and others, can see how I have evolved from a heavy weight backpacker, to a smarter, more efficient, lightweight backpacker. Through the use of video, still photos, and of course writing, one can see my progression, as well as check out some of the places I hike, and not to mention some cool, lightweight gear options. For me, my blog is a journal, but for others, I hope that it is an interactive learning tool to aid them in their own progression towards lightweight backpacking.
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12 Responses to Newly Designed Hammock Gear 20 F Phoenix Under Quilt

  1. Kurt says:

    Stick, why did you give up on hammock camping. I just bought the same hammock you have to try it out. I would like to be off the ground and not have to be so picky about a camping spot. Looks like the hammock rig will be heavier than my tent setup but not enough to change me mind. I haven’t slept in the hammock yet, too cold and I don’t want to buy the UC til I know if I like the hammock. I’m thinking about a 2014 Thru hike on the AT, hammock looks like it has lots of positives after watching Loner 2012 You tube channel.
    Thanks
    Kurt

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    • Stick says:

      Kurt,

      No doubt that a hammock has a lot of positives! And I will admit, they are nice and comfy… they rock me to sleep… it’s so nice… 🙂

      Anyway, I have nothing against them, other than I don’t have a set-up that I want to carry. I keep saying that I am going to pick up a Dream Hammock Darien hammock and a nice cuben hammock tarp to go with it, but just haven’t yet. I keep finding other things to spend my money on…And I will also admit, tent camping just feels right to me while backpacking… not that hammocking doesn’t, but… I dunno… it just feels right to me…

      Also, once I get the hammock & tarp right, I think I will need to work on insulation needs. Don’t get me wrong, my HG UQ is nice and I have no plans to get rid of it, but I think that for me, I might want a little longer UQ for colder weather, just to help with some of the fiddle factor…

      Oh well… I definitely say go for it though!

      Good luck, and happy hiking!

      ~Stick~

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  2. Roger Stallard says:

    Stick,
    I also plan on thru-hiking beginning in March 2013. I also plan on going with just my hammock system. I am curious about your thoughts/experience with your sleep system when you are in an area with insufficient trees or supports on which to hang your hammock. Do you have a plan B for those situations?

    Roger Stallard, aka Propblast

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    • Stick says:

      Roger,

      I will not be thru hiking in 2013…but I am ok with it…I will do so, but not just yet. However, good luck on your hike! I know that you have got to be getting a little excited about it now! 🙂

      And to be honest, I have not used this UQ a bunch. I have been using my tents almost exclusively, although, I am planning to work on my hammock set-up a bit more in the future. However, I would probably still bring my Neo with me for extended hikes, even if I had a hammock. I would not be to thrilled about sleeping on those hard floors without an air pad! Of course, it is a bit of a weight penalty, but sometimes, even for us gram weenies, it is worth it.

      Good luck with your planning and your hike!

      ~Stick~

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  3. Towellie says:

    I’d send the new one back and get some more goose in it. I just got a new 0F Incubator last week. I couldn’t imagine sacrificing on the the design upgrades of the new one, when you get just get some more down put in it and be $$$ in every way! 🙂

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    • Stick says:

      Towellie,

      That is exactly what I did. I put them in the mail today and they should have them come Saturday. So, now I will just have to wait to get them back! Gotta hand it to them though for all the hard work and time that they spent just handling my order. After this, I highly recommend them and will continue to be a customer…

      ~Stick~

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  4. Pat Combee says:

    Stick, If you ain’t already hooked on hammocks, you will be. Hammocks rock, especially hammocks with one of Adam and Jenny’s UQ’s. Mine is custom made by Thorwren 🙂
    Have fun at scout camp next month!

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    • Stick says:

      Pat,

      I feel safe to say that I am hooked already…but I’m still not ready to get rid of my tents either…but I agree, the HG stuff is sweet!

      We actually went to his first scouts camp out last weekend. It was great! We had 150 scouts total and I think I enjoyed it as much as my son did. Tents and campfires everywhere… 🙂 I plan to bring my hammock on the next one though as it will only be a pack campout and we will be in a smaller area that is more heavily wooded, thus more places to hang from… It is kind of hard to hang in the middle of a field… Haha

      ~Stick~

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  5. Yep that there is one sexy quilt. Great blog!

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