Six Moon Designs Lunar Duo

My new Six Moon Designs Lunar Duo tent showed up on my doorstep today! I bought this to replace my heavier and smaller Kelty Grand Mesa 2 tent for when my wife or my son goes out with me.  I will save approximately 15 oz but my interior space is much more usable/livable. It may not sound like much but going from 29 ft2 (which was limited all around the perimeter due to a sloped wall and shorter dimensions) to a 34 ft2 floor has a huge advantage.

In the Kelty tent my sleeping bag would always rub the foot-end of the tent and the hood would even touch the door on the front. This was due to the sloped walls at the head and foot. I didn’t like my bags touching the walls which is why I wanted such a large floor space for two. However, I also wanted something that was as vertical as I could get it. This is the cool thing about the Lunar Duo, all around its perimeter the walls are indeed vertical. Of course there is some compromise here though. At the head and foot the bathtub floor is sewn to a fine no-see-um mesh which goes straight up about a foot or so where it meets the walls going up. (The picture below shows this.) Due to such a long floor length and this vertical area, there is so much room my sleeping bag on top of a NeoAir or a taller Exped air pad will not even come close to hitting the tent walls!

Here is a picture with only my full length (20″ x 72″) sleeping pads inside the Lunar Duo:

And here is a picture with our sleeping bags on the pads:

Here is a picture of me laying in my Helium on my Exped SynMat 7 in the tent:As you can see, there is indeed plenty of room.

I opted for the UL floor since I plan on using a ground sheet under the tent. I thought about using a polycro ground sheet but I figured that the silnylon by itself is slick enough, so I ordered a large Tyvek ground sheet from Six Moon Designs with the tent. The Tyvek sheet is listed at 48″ x 84″ which is just a little smaller than the tent’s floor but that will be ok.

As far as the inside of the tent floor, well it is silnylon so as anyone that has had a silnylon floor knows, it is a little slippery. I was pleased to find that my NeoAir did a pretty good job at not slipping around so much, at least on level ground. However, I plan to use some of my SilNet and making dots inside on the floor once I get a nice sunny and dry day. I do feel like things will feel like they are moving around on the floor a little when actually it is the floor that is moving. This is because the floor is not staked down, but rather stretched using some elastic cord at each of the four corners. (This is the same idea I had for a DIY bathtub floor not to long ago…)

As well, I opted to have the tent factory seam sealed. I was a little hesitant since I have the SilNet already, but figured I would be happier to let some one else do it. Now that it is here I have found some spots that will need to be touched up, but that shouldn’t be a problem. That said, if I were to do it again, I would have saved the $30 and did it myself. (Seems like I have heard that before…)

The tent came in a green stuff sack made of the same silnylon as the body of the tent with a cord lock to cinch the top closed. Of course the tent also came with the two ceiling poles. As far as the tent, there are a few loose threads that I will cut away that are mainly found where the no-see-um mesh is sewn, however, they do not give me any reason to worry. Although, there is a seam on the top of the vents that is directly over the tip of the trekking pole (can be seen in very first picture). I figure that this (tent) is a well thought out design, but I will keep an eye on this seam since a large amount of pressure will be put on these two spots, which hold the tent up. If this seam were to split the trekking pole could possibly go through the tent, which would make it hard to keep the tent erect.

Other than this, this tent is a very nice tent. Very roomy for a 2 person tent, and at a lesser weight than my Kelty. One thing I was a little concerned about is the size of the footprint, and finding a large enough spot. Granted it may be hard to do so in some areas, I don’t believe that it will be as difficult as I feared. Other than this, I am very excited about my new tent! I can’t wait to take it out for a few nights. I am sure it will be set up in my yard though real soon for the night…Oh yeah, I forgot weights…  🙂  (Not really, just saving it for last…)

Six Moon Designs classifies this tent as an Ultralight tent, and in my opinion, for all that it is, it most certainly is Ultralight. However, in the light of Ultralight backpacking as a whole, maybe not…Another thing to think about is pack size. At 15″ x 7.5″ this tent does not pack down the smallest, but then again, there are certainly bigger. Again here, in my opinion, I am fine with this, but I do have to think about how I will carry this in my pack. I am afraid that it will be too big to pack in my front pocket of my new ULA Circuit but that is something I will have to figure out…

So, here are the weights I got on my scale:

  • Tent Body & Stuff Sack: 34.4 oz
  • 2 Arched Ceiling Poles: 2.6 oz
  • 48″ x 84″ Tyvek Ground Sheet: 5.1 oz
  • Stakes: Depends on what I take.
  • Total: 42.1 oz (2 lbs 10.1 oz)

Lastly, this tent does require the use of trekking poles to pitch, but for those that do not use trekking poles, Six Moon Designs does sell an optional Carbon Fiber pole to use instead. For me, I like to carry trekking poles when I hike so I will be using these. At the moment I carry 2 Outdoor Product flick lock poles I got at Wal-Mart a little over a year ago. These poles have been great, but they are due a replacement. To replace them I will be going with the regular Gossamer Gear LT4 adjustable poles, just as soon as Gossamer Gear has them available again (which should be in the next couple of weeks).

UPDATE:

A few months ago I decided to get the Lunar Duo because, well, it seems to be an awesome tent! It is quite roomy, uses my trekking poles to set it up so I don’t have to carry extra tent poles, and due to this, it is pretty light-weight, especially when you consider the amount of room it offers. So, I was happy to spend the small chunk of change to get the Lunar Duo to replace my heavier, smaller Kelty Grand Mesa 2.

Since I received the tent I have used it a few times, both in my yard as well as in the Smokies. Overall, I am quite happy with the tent, but I do have one issue with it, and that’s the floor. The floor in the Lunar Duo is actually a floating floor. What I mean by this is that the tent is actually a tarp (single wall), and once it is pitched using my trekking poles and (at a minimum) 6 stakes, the floor hangs down from the perimeter of the tent by a no-see-um mesh. So, the floor literally hangs from the roof of the tent, however, there is an elastic cord at each corner of the bathtub style floor that stretches out to the corresponding corner of the tent which manages to hold the floor in place, somewhat.

The floor is made using a 30D ultralight silnylon, and anyone that has put their hands on a piece of silnylon knows one thing, it it slick! Now just imagine this slick material as the floor of your tent, and not stationary at that. What I have found is that even on the slightest of slopes the floor will actually begin to slide away. My problem with that is that I don’t want to wake up in the morning from either sliding into my trekking pole and knocking it down, or worse, wake up and realize that the floor has slid far enough away to actually tear away from the tent!

So, I have been contemplating ways to make the floor stationary. I have considered stitching some small loops at each corner and then simply using a small stake, or even a 16-penny nail to secure the floor down. However, I am still not ready to start sewing on my tent. I also thought about using some of the plastic/rubbery material that is used to line the inside of cabinets or drawers (or even rug stoppers) under the tent floor to help the floor grip and not slide. But I don’t want to carry a bunch of that junk…

I eventually decided to use some SilNet and make lines and circles on the outside bottom of the floor, hoping that this would provide enough grip to keep the floor in place. So, I laid my tent out, grabbed some latex gloves and the remainder of my tube of SilNet…I began by putting dots spaced about 10″ apart and then going back and using my finger to spread it out. I did two rows of this and then decided to use a full horizontal line since I was getting nearer the middle. I alternated another row of dots with another full horizontal line and then finished out the remainder with dots. The entire process took me about 10 minutes once I got it all together. After that I let it sit undisturbed for almost a full day (about 20 hours). Then I started wondering if I should powder the dots. The reason I say this is because the first time I used SilNet I had some issues. I sealed some MLD eVENT mitts and let them site for well over 24 hours (more like 36). Once I felt that they were dry, I unstuffed them and rolled them up together and stored them away. When I next pulled them out, well, they were stuck together pretty well… So, with my tent, I tested one of the dots. I folded it over on itself and applied a large amount of pressure for about 30 seconds. When I released I expected it to be stuck down, but it came right up!

So, this is when I decided to roll the tent up and shove it in its stuff sack and then take it out and set it up. I figured the SilNet would pick up its share of dirt and dust from the ground and the Tyvek ground sheet I use under it. However, the wind was blowing so hard, I didn’t really get a chance to see how well my fix would work since the wind kept blowing the floor all over the place…check out the video here:

Of course that video was just for fun though. If I had been setting it up for actual use, the tent would have been turned so the wind blew through the doors rather than against the wall. I would have guyed out the upper guylines on the tent as well. Anyway,I plan on taking the Lunar Duo out this weekend on a 2-night trip so I should see how it performs then. So, when I get back I will report back on how well it does…

~Stick~

33 Responses to Six Moon Designs Lunar Duo

  1. Johanna says:

    Hi there! Is The model lunar duo Outfitter or Explorer? /Johanna

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    • Stick says:

      Johanna,

      When I picked up mine, there was only one model. I can’t remember which is which now, but the one I had is the one that they now sell that is the lightest model. The heavier one is the same but it uses slightly heavier materials.

      ~Stick~

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    • Michael says:

      Stick was referring to what is now known as the Explorer model. The Outfitter is the heavier one. I have both versions (an older one like Stick’s and 2 heavier ones for Scout trips).

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  2. Robert says:

    Hey Stick, check out the Lightheartgear Duo. As long as the Solong6 but 55″ wide. And a solid true bathtub floor.

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  3. friarcook says:

    Purchased this tent in the Lemons to Lemonade Sale to use on an upcoming thru-hike of the AT with my son. You are right, it has plenty of room. I don’t mind the weight, as it is considerably lighter than what we have used in the past. We plan on “hanging” once we get into summer, and this tent seemed to be a balance between features and price. Thanks for the review.

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  4. Oscar says:

    Hi Stick,

    Thanks so much for the thoughtfully done review. I couldn’t find anything better than this on the web. I’m a 16 year old that’s just started out backpacking (went last summer with borrowed stuff and loved it) and got a $250 stipend for a tent and sleeping bag. I live in Florida, so I wanted something adjustable to warm weather, and I also wanted something that can sleep two people as I might go with family or a friend ( but I often might go on my own- Is this unrealistic? Should I just buy a one person and two person tent?). Besides that, I would go backpacking in Northern Finland, maybe the Appalachian trails.’m also 6’4 so I need some good length. This tent (the heavier, 57 oz Outfitter version- can’t afford the one you got) seemed really cool, it met my budget and looked lighter than others I was looking at such as the Kelty Salida 2 and several Alps Mountaineering tents. Do you think that this would be a good tent for me? Is it too heavy or too ridiculous to have a 2 person tent if I’m sometimes on my own? What would be a good tent/ sleeping bag for me to get? Thanks so much for reading this, I really don’t have another source of advice. Happy New Year!

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    • Stick says:

      Oscar,

      Of course, ideally, having both, a 1 & a 2 person tent would be great, but for the time being, if you are going to be needing both for a while and can only get one, a 2 person tent would be the smartest option. Besides, you can always go back later and pick up a solo tent too! 🙂

      The Lunar Duo is a fine 2 person tent as well. At 6’4″ I think that you should fit fine in there, and if you do want to add a friend, or family member, there is ample room for that too.

      As for choosing between the “explorer” and the “outfitter” I would say try to save a little more and go with the lighter of the 2. At the moment, I see that they are $260 for the lighter version. Also, if you kept a lookout, these sometimes come up for sale on the Gear Swap thread on BPL as well as the For Sell thread on Whiteblaze. It wouldn’t hurt to post a “WTB” (Want To Buy) thread on both sites and see what kind of responses you get.

      Anyway, I say go with the lighter version because you will always be carrying all of the weight. Since it is a single wall shelter, you can’t really split the weight up with another person. Sure, the other person could carry the stakes, and even the 2 arched poles (or better yet, you could even leave them out, it works just fine without them), but the entire tent will always be with you. Also, if you get the lighter tent to start out with, you may end up liking it and never want another one… however, chances are, if you get the heavier one, you may love it, but kick yourself for not going with the lighter one…

      Also, not sure if you know, but the one is heavier because it is made of heavier materials, however, size-wise, they are both the same. But, I say that because some folks just do better with the heavier, more durable materials… Some folks are just too rough for lighter weight materials, and will go through them pretty fast… If you are one of those folks, then the heavier model would be better for you…

      Anyway, to be clear though, I do not have this tent any longer. I sold it a couple of years back. It really is a great tent, however, the hanging floor didn’t work for me. I like a floor that stakes down at the corners… this one doesn’t. It is simply suspended from the canopy, granted, with some shock cord pieces at each end. But, on even the slightest of slopes, I found that the floor slid bad, even with the sealer I added to the bottom. A few times my wife and I woke up to find that the floor had slid down hill (on very minor slopes mind you) and I was afraid that one day I would wake up and find that the mesh had ripped away from the canopy…

      Anyway, I hope this helps some, and good luck with your decision! And happy hiking!

      ~Stick~

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  6. Michael says:

    Interesting that you had so much trouble with the floor. I’ve had mine for 5 years now and never experienced the floor itself moving that I know of (I don’t use a groundsheet). Stuff ON the floor, yes. Tried adding some silicone lines on the floor but once they were covered with dust/dirt they were pointless so I’ve just lived with it since. I expect any tent with a sil floor would have the same issue.

    The bathtub floor is surprisingly waterproof, too. Had a downpour in the Smokies while at the group platforms in Cosby and my backpacking tent was the only one that didn’t get water in it (from roof or floor) while each paltform had about an inch of flowing water.

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    • Stick says:

      Michael,

      Yeah, it was pretty bad… a couple of times I woke up and was actually surprised that the mesh hadn’t torn away from the canopy! After putting some seam sealer on the outside floor, it stuck to the tyvek ground sheet little better, but not as well as I would have liked. Anyway, I ended up selling this tent, and really, for this reason. I loved the weight vs space though…

      Anyway, that is good that you haven’t had this issue with yours. I know I have read of others that also had the issues, as well as those that didn’t. I do know that silnylon actually varies roll for roll… no 2 are exactly the same. For this reason, I feel like some are not quite as slick as others, at least to some degree, but likely not that big of a difference. After this though, I have decided that I prefer a tent that can actually stake down at the corners…

      As for things sliding on top of the sil floors, yep… but when I was using this tent I was also using the original NeoAir, which was quite tacky, and didn’t slide around as easily as most other mats… Surprisingly, this was not a problem for me…

      ~Stick~

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  7. Matt says:

    I appreciate your review above and was planning on getting the tent.

    I saw that you had posted the Lunar Duo for sale on backpackinglight.com. Just wondering why you were selling it? What tent are you looking at to replace it?

    Thanks,
    Matt

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    • Stick says:

      Matt,

      The tent is a nice tent, don’t get me wrong. I think that there were 2 reasons I decided to sell it and get a Big Agnes Copper Spur UL2. One, the floating floor on the Lunar Duo kind of bothered me, and two, I got in the mood to try something different. I have eyeballed the Copper Spur for a long while now, but have always been content with the Lunar Duo, and for good reason. My Lunar Duo weighed in at a whopping 39.5 oz and was a palace. It was simple to set-up and it could be buttoned down to survive a storm.

      However, I woke up one morning and got a bug. I came across a new Copper Spur for a good price and decided to purchase it. Once doing so, I decided to sell the Lunar Duo to help cushion the damage…

      I went with the Lunar Duo for obvious reasons, “free-standing” (despite the arguments), double wall and easy to pitch. However, these conveniences came with some penalties. The Copper Spur weighs in at 50.3 oz, so almost an 11 oz increase on weight, and it has less interior room. The Copper Spur will sleep 2 and that is it. And those 2 will be close. The Lunar Duo definitely had a ton of room to sprawl out… not so much with the CSUL2.

      At this point though, I am not regretting it. My pack weights are low enough that even with taking an additional 11 oz in tent it is still pretty low. It is true that I could share the weight of this tent with a second person, which would then be less weight than when I carried the Lunar Duo, but being that this tent will only be used by me and either my wife or son, I will carry it all in order to keep their packs as light as possible (until my son gets a little bigger…)

      Anyway, hope this helps some. And I would still recommend the Lunar Duo, it just depends on what you are after…

      ~Stick~

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  8. Mark (Winds) says:

    Hello!

    First off, thanks for taking the time here. I appreciate the information!
    I am contemplating the Duo for an A.T. thru-hike.

    1. The stability of the floor does concern me and I don’t like the idea of trying to mend solutions, but sure wish I could stake it down. Six Moons sells seam sealer with the tent and I was going to purchase that. Is that what I am to put on the floor (inside and outside dots)? The 2012 models have changed, so I don’t know the answer here? (The floor and top is not the same materials in the Explorer model for $160.)

    2. I have also contemplated getting the Tarptent Rainshadow 2. It’s roomier and 14 ounces lighter. This may be a stretch here asking too much, but I am curious what you think of the Rainshadow 2. I have a tendency to think the Duo will do better in higher winds, vestible coverage and snow. PLUS the Duo is $100 cheaper.

    Thanks for the info, I sure appreciate you folks posting information so detailed. 🙂

    ~ Mark (Winds)

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    • Stick says:

      Mark,

      Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to post. I am glad that the information has been at least a little helpful… 🙂

      First off, I have obviously not thru’d so it is hard for me to answer your questions. However, if you could get in touch with Wallace Hunter (AKA Supa Chef) from over at Hike, Bike, Dale! he could give you some good advice as to it’s actual use on the trail in the thru-hikers perspective since he used it last year on his.

      But, I can comment a little…

      First off, are you thru’ing with someone else? If not, that is a HUGE tent to be taking for solo, not to mention heavy…I would look at lighter options…not to mention the huge footprint this tent requires. Don’t get me wrong though, if you are taking a companion, this is a great solution…here are some more thoughts:

      It seems that the more and more I hike along the AT (which still isn’t too much…) and come across shelters, I find that more and more of them have truly great flat spots to pitch a tent. And as you mentioned in your first concern, the floor sliding around on the smallest bit of slope could present a less than perfect night. To counter this I did put silicone (such as SilNet…not Seam Grip…SilNet is for Silnylon and Seam Grip is for uncoated and polyurethane coated fabrics) dots on the bottom (outside) of the floor. This works pretty well, however, without a ground sheet this won’t do any good. You can put dots on the inside to help keep your sleeping pads from sliding around if you want, or you can put the silicone on the bottom of the pads…either will work. But, put just as much as you think you will need…that stuff adds weight… 🙂

      I have no experience with the RS2 so I cannot comment on it. I was looking at getting it at one point in time because I have read some good things about it, namely how roomy it is inside…but when it came down to it and I had the money in hand I was interested in the LD.

      Let me suggest, if you are stuck on the Lunar Duo and there are in fact 2 of you using this tent, I would suggest looking into the SMD Haven. It is basically the double wall version of the LD. However, it offers more versatility and is lighter. The tarp is $200 and 18 oz and the NetTent is $150 and 14 oz. So, $350 for the pair but only 32 oz (2 lb), however, this weight can be split between 2 hikers, giving each hiker right at 1 lb of shelter each. Also, either the tarp or the net tent can be pitched separately to make the most of the given weather conditions.

      Anyway, I hope this helps some. If you have any more questions please feel free to post them, and also like I said, I recommend getting in touch with Wallace about the LD for a thru…

      Happy hiking and good luck on your adventure!

      ~Stick~

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    • Mark (Winds) says:

      Well, where to start here. Ug.

      No, I don’t want a more expensive tent which has LESS head room and LESS width.
      One of the first things I look for in a 2-person tent is actual usable space.
      So I was naturally attracted to the Duo’s 54 inches. I am a bigger man, and by that I mean when I will thru-hike I will be 6’, 210 lbs (less than 15% body weight) and ready physically.

      There is an important note to be made here: If I was just going for weekend excursions OR even a week vacation type of backpacking trip, MANY of my necessary considerations just wouldn’t be so important. I am not speed hiking, ever. With that said, if I was going for limited stints, I would take my 5+ lb mountaineering boots, and at least 15 lbs. worth of comfort gear in addition to my needed gear.

      Back to the tent. The Duo offers great aspects for space / cost / design principles which aren’t met by most 2-person tents. AND, I am considering the HIGHER weight Outfitter Duo model which has been upgraded for 2012. It weighs ONE FULL pound more. But understand this: No one really talks about weight regarding ALL aspects for a tent. Including tent, footprint, extra poles(!), stakes, seam sealer, and whatever I put on the floor for extra grip – is LESS than 5lbs for 2 PEOPLE. That’s LESS than 2.5 lbs per person for shelter to last over 6 months. THIS IS LIGHT no matter what space age fabric they come up with next. THIS IS LIGHT – ALL totaled including taxes and shipping for $240.

      While you can improve much with money, at some point you have to draw a line in the sand. There is one important issue around weight too that no one is talking about either. Lower weight isn’t always what’s best for a long journey specifically. If we are going into the wilderness to explore that endeavor as a science experiment, we can find trail runners at 6 ounces, a back pack at 12 ounces, a sheet of fiber at 10 ounces and pay $1000 for that and be utterly miserable!

      Back to Six Moon Designs specifically – I would NOT pay $150 for a net tent, and then $200 for it’s cover, ever. That is massively overpriced for a specific market. And sure, they’ll get buyers, but not many. I may track this now just for kicks.

      I am more than concerned with Six Moon Designs for these reasons:
      1. They do NOT list complete dimensions for ALL their offerings – WHY?
      2. They have very limited pictures of their offerings – WHY?
      3. They have limited or NO reviews of products they’ve offered for years! – Why?
      4. And most importantly, they have not answered two (2) identical emails from me; with very limited but important questions (Those Emails were clear and concise).

      Conversely I wrote the Tarptent folks only twice, but both past midnight. On BOTH occurrences I received a thorough response within an hour. That’s a company who wants to sell products.

      Thanks for the info on what to put on the floor as I don’t wish to use the wrong or damaging products anywhere on the tent for obvious reasons.

      ~ Mark

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    • Stick says:

      Mark,

      Sounds like you like your room and you don’t mind carrying more weight then. That is good that you are comfortable with that. However, after being in the Lunar Duo, I still say that this is ALOT of room for one person. Heck, it is a lot for both my wife and I. But, to each his own.

      As far as not getting comments back from Ron, I’m sorry to hear that. I know that there have been a few events going on for the thru-hikers and such lately and I am not sure if he is participating in any of this. All I can say is that he has always gotten back in contact with me when I reached out. I have even talked with him on the phone. He has been very helpful each time. I can only give good recommendations as to SMD gear as well as Ron’s customer services based on ALL of my previous interactions. My suggestion to you at this point would be to try and call him and ask him your questions.

      As far as talking about weight regarding ALL aspects for a tent, well, that’s a little tougher. As far as ground sheets, tent stakes, and poles, those all vary from user to user. Saying this, it would be impossible to list these aspects. This is where you do have to do a little homework. Each person will need to decide which stakes will they use, which type and size of ground sheet will they use, and will they use trekking poles or will they buy dedicated tent poles to get a complete total weight. When looking up these items, weights are typically listed, depends on the site that you get those items from. Here on my blog I listed each relevant thing for this tent, and it comes in at 42.1 oz. The only thing I did not list is my trekking poles and my stakes. If I add in 8 of my Ti shepherd hook stakes, it will be an additional 2 oz. If I carry my GG LT4 poles, then that is another 8.2 oz, however, my trekking poles are multi-use so this really doesn’t count solely to my tent weight. Also, from the sound of it, you will probably not be carrying the same poles as I am, so this information is irrelevant to you. And of course I am not sure if you will be using the same stakes as me, so again, this is irrelevant. So, not listing these weights to me is understandable.

      I agree that more money can improve your options. I disagree that “lower weight isn’t always what’s best for a long journey” though. In my experience, I have found that a lower weight is definitely more comfortable while hiking (especially long distances), and I can say from experience the items in my lower weight pack is just as comfortable (actually more) while I am in camp. When I started hiking I hiked 40 miles with a 56+ lb pack. I was very uncomfy on the trail, and only fairly comfy in camp (I was extremely sore and hurting from hauling that heavy pack so getting comfy was a bit harder.) A few weeks ago I did the same trail with a starting out pack weight of 17 lbs (for EVERYTHING), in much colder weather than before and I was a hundred times more comfortable on the trail, and yes, even in camp. It was a beautiful thing…quite the opposite of being miserable.

      You are also right though…sometimes you do have to draw a line in the sand when it comes to how much you want to spend. Some draw it sooner than others and that is cool. I also agree, 2.5 lbs per person for a shelter is somewhat light, although, with a little more money it is also easier to go considerably lighter per person.

      Anyway, sorry that I could not be of more help. Like I said, I would try to call Ron up and ask him your questions. Also, if you haven’t already, I would contact Wallace from Hike, Bike, Dale! and speak with him since he did use the Lunar Duo for him AND his wife on his hike last year.

      Also, as a tip, those arch poles can be left out to save 2.6 oz.

      Good luck on your hike.

      ~Stick~

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    • Mark (Winds) says:

      Yes of course lighter is easier, but only to a point.
      Actually not going anywhere or purchasing anything at all is the easiest.

      I did state that the entire setup would be less than 5 lbs. for 2 people thus less than 2.5 lbs. for EACH person. So no, I do not want all that space for myself.

      With that weight, I mentioned it DID include the footprint, stakes AND additional poles purchased in case I didn’t wish to use the hiking poles.

      The problem here is that in writing stuff like this, you make it painfully obvious that you think someone doesn’t have the “right” gear unless they spend much more money. This isn’t generally true.

      $125 dollars per person / 2.5 lbs total carry weight / that particular tent design / with intent of using that as the SOLE shelter system for over 2000 continuous miles is outstanding (if it lasts that is, which IS the overall plan).

      ~ Mark

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    • Stick says:

      Mark,

      That is true…not going anywhere or purchasing anything is the easiest…but then there is so much that will be missed…

      I apologize…I did not get that you were actually using this tent for 2 people from your posts…from your beginning comment about being a bigger guy I thought it was just you using this tent. However, I would like to point out that you will not be able to split the weight up quite as easily with a tent like this. Since the LD is a solid 1 piece shelter, the body will be heavier than the poles and the stakes and ground sheet.

      With that weight, I mentioned it DID include the footprint, stakes AND additional poles purchased in case I didn’t wish to use the hiking poles.

      I am not seeing a specific weight listed in your post.

      The problem here is that in writing stuff like this, you make it painfully obvious that you think someone doesn’t have the “right” gear unless they spend much more money. This isn’t generally true.

      I disagree with this. I have not made anything painfully obvious as far as more expensive is better. However, I did agree with your statement:

      While you can improve much with money, at some point you have to draw a line in the sand.

      I fully appreciate that others do not use the same items that I do, whether it is more or less expensive, or heavier or lighter weight. I believe that we should all hike your own hike. When you asked your questions, I answered them the best that I could based on my experience with the LD. I even suggested you to contact another specific hiker that used the LD in the thru-hiker setting.

      However, despite how much money it cost, I feel like the Haven would be a valid option, whether it be for a thru hiker or a section hiker. When compared to the LD, it offers more versatility (can be set-up as a tarp or as a net tent only, or together), is a double wall shelter (keeps condensation at bay better than a single wall shelter and allows the tarp to be packed separate if it is soaked) and can be split up between 2 people much easier. It does have slightly less useable space inside the tent than the LD, but after being in the LD I feel like it would still be a lot of space.

      I am sorry if I did not give you the answers that you were looking for.

      ~Stick~

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  9. Heather says:

    I’m considering the Lunar Duo, and am looking forward to you posting a photo of how the metal tip of the hiking poles work at the top of the tent…

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    • Stick says:

      Heather,

      At the top of the zipper (on the door) there is a nylon loop sewn into the tent. The bottom of the loop has a grommet where the trekking pole tip fits in. This allows the top loop to lay over the tip of the trekking pole which protects the tent from the point. Here is a picture that may explain it better than I have…

      SMD LD

      Hope this helps.

      ~Stick~

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    • Heather says:

      thanks so much! with the explanation and the photo, I get it…

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    • Stick says:

      I’m glad it helped! Thanks again for stopping by.

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  10. Nick says:

    So how did the SilNet dots work with the ground sheet?

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    • Stick says:

      Nick,

      It has actually worked well. I actually used it the weekend before last at a scout camp out and was on a little bit of a slope, however the tent did not slide down hill at all. As far as inside, I just stuck the clothing I wore during the day under the low side of my pad and here again, I did not move around. Don’t get me wrong though, I still kind of wish that they corners actually staked down, but fact is, it doesn’t and the dots have improved it’s performance in this area. So, I am happy with it…

      Hope this helps,

      ~Stick~

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  12. Steven Smith says:

    The Showdown!!! Nice…..

    I know it has nothing to do with the gear….

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  16. Jason says:

    I like what this tent offers, which is real estate, more room, that’s for sure.

    Question, when putting the hiking pole in the pocket, is the tip exposed metal? Or, does one need to put the rubber cap on it before putting it in place?

    Thanks,

    Jason

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    • Stick says:

      Jason,

      This tent is great for sure. Loads of room and super easy to erect. Plus if you are setting it up in the rain you don’t have to worry about the inside getting wet because there is no inner to set up first!

      As for your question, yes the metal hiking tip is exposed. (Let me see if I can explain this without confusing anyone…) At the top inside the vents there is a looped nylon strap with a grommet on the underside. The tip of the hiking pole goes in the grommet on the bottom side of the loop but then the top side of the loop lays over the trekking pole tip so that the metal tip does not damage the tent.

      I will take a picture later and post it and maybe it will make a little more sense if my explanations doesn’t…

      Thanks for checking out my site.

      Chad

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